How in the Hell do I Find my True Purpose?

How in the Hell do I Find my True Purpose?

Following up on Episode 10, I do a deeper dive into how most people’s goals and “purpose” are actually based on fear and avoidance that ultimately sabotages their ability to succeed. I finish by describing the only way to truly ground in your distinct unique purpose in a way that makes goal setting and vision building almost effortless.

Episode Transcript:

Hi, everybody. Good afternoon. I'm going to do a follow-up to. I think it was like episode 10. It was something about procrastination or misalignment. And in that, I talked about a conversation that I have a lot in which people accuse themselves of procrastination, or they say that they self-sabotage. Pardon me. And when you really evaluate or look at the situation, what you realize most of the time is that things that people expect themselves to do or things that sound like good goals or sound like goals that they think that they want are not really in alignment with them. And in the end, they have set a goal that they have the idea of the thing, but they don't really like the thing itself. And I used the example in that episode of myself having naturally been talented with music and everybody encouraged me at music, and it was the first thing that I had any success at. And then finally, after decades of doing it and actually getting my foot in the door, realizing that the actual business of music, that there wasn't anything from beginning to end that I really liked, other than just writing my own stuff. In other words, there was a misalignment. I had nothing to contribute to the community. I had nothing to contribute to the human race. Music really was about me and for me, which is fine. And so I had that conversation. I did that podcast and I started thinking more. I'm not a business coach, but I've had business coaching and I do tons of reading on self-help, et cetera. And I've spent a lot of time with setting goals and working towards goals and working on purpose and sort of cooking my purpose over the last 10 or 15 years and having misfires and realizing, well, that's not really my purpose. I'm not deeply, deeply intending And I began to realize that there are a couple of things that happen when you talk to people about purpose, or when you talk to people about goal setting, that this becomes very complex because you're talking about the human condition, you're talking about childhood trauma, you're talking about, do I self-sabotage? Do I legitimately have some ADHD and have difficulty focusing on things or following through on things? Is someone in my environment sabotaging me? There are a lot of things that can go on. Is the world just not cooperating? Is this a time in which what I do, my particular talent, just isn't appreciated, and I'm never going to get paid to do that, even though this might be something that really aligns? So there's all this complexity. But as I was thinking through it today, I realized that there are a couple of questions you can ask yourself. Are there these things that emerge when I go through a set of questions that a business coach might ask or a motivational coach might ask about, okay, so what is your goal? What is your purpose? And then you start asking questions like, well, why? Why do you want that? People will set as a goal, well, I would like to make three million over the next five years in my business or whatever the goal is. And so anytime there's this concrete external objective goal, you want to ask, well, why, why do you want to do that? And as you go through that, I think that's called Socratic method, where you just keep asking about the purpose behind that purpose and the purpose behind that purpose so that you drilled down into gut level, almost a priori intention. And there are a couple of things that emerge with people who feel stuck. And I remember these things when I was working my own goals. There was always something that felt disingenuous about setting goals. I never set goals. It just felt disingenuous to me. And I knew that goals worked, and I knew that everyone who succeeded at things set goals. But I did not connect to it deeply until maybe the last eight or 10 years. In my therapy practice. And here are the two things that you realize when you really examine. And you can even do this when you sit down and try to evaluate your own purpose. What's your own purpose? Two things are revealed. One is people will express goals. And I talked about this in episode 10 a little, but I'm doing a deeper dive into it. People will express goals that have objective things that sound good, or they sound right. People know that you should probably say, well, I want to help people. How are you going to help people? Well, I want to contribute the service. I think the product that I make is perfect, and it's going to help people. They're going to be less frustrated or whatever the product or service is that you're providing. Well, you know how to say why people should want it. So people will say that. They'll try to sound altruistic about it because they know they're supposed to. And then secondly, there will be these goals that are often financial. Or if they're not financial, if they're sounding altruistic, the truth is you'll start sussing out and feeling that people have these financial goals. Well, you know, so you want to set up whatever an online connection, an online business where you consult for people, et cetera, et cetera. Well, why do you want to do that? What's your goal? They might start with, well, I want to educate people on X, Y, or Z. Well, why do you want to do that? And ultimately, if they're honest, it often drills down to, well, because I want to make this much money. Why do you want to make that much money? If you keep drilling down, ultimately what you'll find is two things that mean the same thing. One is there will tend to be financial motivations. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not criticizing financial motivations. I need to make money to support my family and my life. And I take very seriously generating money and managing money. But when it comes to purpose, Unless you're into the art of making money, really into the art of making money, that's not really your purpose if you're, say, a musician or if you're a doctor, right? You would assume that there's some deeper passion. Now, maybe you're good at making money, and you want making money to be a symptom of your passion. I want making money to be a symptom of my passion as a therapist. But it isn't my primary passion. It's not my vision, right? There are some people who may go into finance, and they may manage some hedge fund, and they may do that because they're super into money and how money moves and what it means. And they're perfect at that. That actually is their passion. But for most of us, when it boils down to, oh, well, I have this financial goal. I want to make enough money so that what, why do you want to make a lot of money? What happens is you begin to realize that people want to make enough money that they no longer have to do the thing that they're using to make money. Do you know what that means? What that means is that thing is not their passion. They've read some self-help books. They've worked with a business coach maybe, they've listened to some podcasts, whatever. Furthermore, they understand that I should have some altruistic thing that I mean to contribute, so they know how to talk about their product or service in the way that it is of help, of service to others. And then they have some objective goals. I want it to be this size. I want to reach as many people. Furthermore, I want to make this much money. But when you really, really, really drill down, if you know how to keep asking those questions in a way that doesn't feel interrogative or interrogating. So many people want to succeed at their passion and make enough money so that they don't have to do it anymore, which tells you that it's not their passion. So now you get into the psychology of the thing. There are only a couple of reasons that happens. One, people who live in chronic fight or flight, who seem very functional, but they have some very quiet, maybe they've had a difficult childhood, or they've had something that set them up for, they naturalized, they normalized what it is to be in some level of anxiety. That's just normal. They live with a level of anxiety. They know how to manage it. Furthermore, they don't allow it to spill out on other people. Furthermore, they may seem very calm. But all of their reasoning is actually avoidant reasoning. And I'm not trying to pathologize them, even though that's very psychological. To call something avoidant is very psychological. But just because I'm a therapist, I'm using that term. Avoidant means the behaviors and the thinking and the words I say are all driven by a motivation of attempting to escape the things I'm engaging or to escape something. It's avoidant, right? Someone may force themselves to go to a holiday business party, but they may be doing it because they're like, well, this is the one I can't miss, but if I check this one off, people can't give me crap for the fact that I don't go to the others. That's avoidant, right? I'm doing this thing in order to escape. I'm doing this thing, I'm paying down on this so that I can escape it. So when people talk about purpose and goals and this is my passion and blah, blah, blah, so often when you cook it, when you get underneath, there's actual avoidance. And I talked about that in, again, I think episode 10, when I was talking about the music industry, when the come to Jesus moment for me was, when I had to really, really be honest with myself and say, if I invite another artist in, and I help produce their music, or if I go to a club to listen to an interesting artist for the interest of going up to them and saying, hey, you sound amazing. I have a studio. I would love to produce some of your songs. If I write and produce and if I go to a music conference, and I'm hobnobbing and talking to music publishers and et cetera, et cetera. Did I love that? Honestly, I didn't. No offense against any of those people. Nothing wrong with the people. I just didn't like it. In fact, a lot of times I kind of hated it, almost all of it. So I had this come to Jesus moment where I realized the equation that I was writing, the equation that was driving everything was avoidant. I was doing all of this stuff in the hopes of escaping the doing of all that stuff. In the end, I wanted to work all that industry and do all that stuff that I was passionate about. And it's my goal to do X, Y, or Z and blah, blah, blah, because I hoped to get successful enough to get to sit in my studio and write the way I want to write and play the way I want to play and produce what I want to produce. And I wanted for people to like that, but I didn't want to have to deal with them. So there's a childlike, even a childishness, there's an avoidance in there. But also there's this equation that's self-defeating. I'm literally communicating to the world. I have this passion. You can trust that I'm driven to do this thing. I love this thing. Like I'm going to stay the extra hour. I'm going to do, I'm going to donate the extra weekend to you, the artist, even if you can't afford it. Because I love doing this, and we started working like, et cetera, et cetera. But if I did that, I was probably wearing myself out. Because I didn't like it from the beginning. So it's this false disingenuous presentation because we've been taught that this is where success comes from. I want to send you this clear message right now in the middle of this podcast. That is not where success comes from. It is not the act of setting goals. It is not the act of working towards goals. You can do all of that, So you can set short-term goals and medium-term goals and long-term goals. You can set your long-term goal, and you can reverse engineer and work backwards to where you are and go, okay, now I know this is the way I'm supposed to work, blah, blah, blah, blah. You can shoot for the right number of subscribers. Furthermore, you can do the correct number of posts every day. Furthermore, you could do all of that stuff. I promise you. Either you will not succeed or you will hate your success if you force yourself. You'll be totally worn out and torn down by the experience because all of those things are just a vehicle to bring you somewhere. But if it is not truly your passion, if you are truly not in alignment and that thing is not in alignment with truly who you are and how you are, those vehicles are meaningless. There are, you can see this on the internet. I talk all the time about an internet, a content provider, Bayashi TV on Instagram. He probably does on TikTok and transfers on Instagram, whatever, right? And he's a chef, and he makes stuff, and he has his particular shtick. He has this big smile, and he has certain things that he does like. When he toasts something he'll take his knife and go make this cool scraping sound, and he's very stylized with what he does. And he does his quick videos where he makes something and the whole thing is like you know, eat or pass. And a lot of this is like super deep-fried. You look at it, you're like, dude, if you eat that way, you're going to drop dead. God forbid. I hope you don't. But the thing that he has is this is very, very, very him. And you can see that he's having tons of fun. You can see that this is who he is and this is what he does. And he has his format. And then I begin to notice that some other chefs were starting to copy his format right down to wearing the same kind of gloves. And pacing the same way, scraping their knife the same way. But it was so disingenuous and weird because it wasn't them. They saw him. They saw his true passion and his true connection to what he does. And he has been very successful. He's continued like it seems like every other month he puts up a post celebrating like another hundred thousand or another million subscribers, whatever. He's doing very, very well, and he should because it's fun to watch him have fun with what he loves to do. But then you will see these other people imitate because they have this belief that so many people have, that it's the external form of the thing. If this person did this and that worked, and now they're successful, well, if I do that, it'll work, and I'll be successful. No, it won't. Because what he did that worked was he was deeply himself. And he found a thing that expressed deeply who he is in alignment with him. He found his purpose and he found his way of expressing it. And his way of expressing it worked really well in that format. And so he cooked that format in a way that people could receive who he really is. But when you go and fake it, it looks weird, and it's not going to be successful. A, because it's derivative and people look at that and go like, Brash TV already did that, like this is cheesy. But B, because it's not you. It's not you, it's not you. That's not going to work. So people have this perception that a self-help book or a business coach can say, these are the steps that you can take and these are what successful people do. Successful habits tend to be helpful. And they can get things out of the way. But if you don't know if your goal setting and what you say your passion is, is actually avoidant, if you're actually doing it because you hope to make enough money so that you no longer have to do it, that doesn't work. If you want to talk about physiologically, that's going to wear you out. It's going to wear you out. Even if you manage to get to the point that you're making money, you're working so at cross purposes. Every time you go to a conference, every time you meet someone, every time you do a video, blah, blah, there's going to be a deep part of you that's fighting it. That's like, but my goal is to not have to do this. My true deep goal is avoidant is to not have to do this. And you're making me do this. And so people have the gas on and the break on at the same time. And you could just see smoke coming off of them, but they'll say all the right things because everyone says, well, you should do this. And you set short-term, you know, a, a, a goal without a, without a time limit is just a dream. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All of that stuff gets cooked and comes out of. Successful people having learned things that worked. But if you don't know who you are, if you're doing what you're doing to avoid having to do it, if you succeed, you will have absolutely worn yourself down to nothing doing it. If you succeed, which is not success, all you mean is I made money. I managed to make money out of it. And 99% of the time people don't succeed. They don't. They don't. Furthermore, they keep resisting and resisting and fighting and struggling. And then they'll go to therapy and be like, what's wrong with me? Nothing. You're achieving exactly what you set out to achieve, which does I don't want to succeed at this thing. I don't actually want to do this thing. I just want this thing to actually go out into the world and magically spin itself into a bunch of money, dump the money on me and I can go, oh my God, okay, so I don't have to do it anymore. Furthermore, I can just do the one tiny component that I love. Great, love that component, but that thing as a business for you, that thing as a life endeavor for you isn't for you. Okay, so you have the avoidant piece where If you drill down, if you ask yourself questions, and you drill down, you find that you're actually doing this thing so that you will no longer have to do this thing. It's not going to work. I could spend hours and hours and hours explaining why it's not going to work. It doesn't work spiritually. It doesn't work psychologically. Furthermore, it doesn't work emotionally. Furthermore, it doesn't work in the world of physics. Furthermore, it just doesn't work. This is going to be sort of a soft point and an obvious point, which is the backside of avoidance. Let's say you get to a place where the person you're talking to sort of gets like, oh yeah, like, I don't really want those goals. Like that is avoidance, right? And so then you start exploring. So what is it? What do you want to do? What you will find is that people don't know what they want to do because they don't know who they are. So the next layer down is, okay, I sort of get that what I want to do. When you truly find a passion, a thing that where you're going to light up the world, you're going to light up yourself, you're going to light up the world, you're going to light up other people, and it's going to work. And a symptom of that is going to be money if you choose to leverage it that way. When you start digging down to like, what is that thing? People are not sure. And they'll be sincere and genuine, and they'll say things like, I really do want to help. Like I know like the world needs a lot. And at some gut level, since I was a little kid, like I've always wanted to help. Like, I don't know what it is. Like maybe, I want to feed starving children, or maybe I want to help like I like they don't know what it is. And you can sit there and talk about that ad infinitum. And here's another message that's both frustrating and helpful. You are never going to know what your passion is if you don't know who you are. If you haven't removed enough shame and guilt and layers of social messaging about whom you're supposed to be and who people think you are and what's bad about you and what's good about you. If you don't have a pretty solid understanding of who you are as a biological, psychological, spiritual, whatever gender, how you interact with people, how your brain works, how you naturally think and talk and behave and what the strengths of that are, Et cetera. If you don't know what that is, how would you know what your passion is? How would you know? Again, to use my own life experience as a demonstration. I loved music. Loved it. I loved it. I loved writing. Furthermore, I loved playing. Furthermore, I was obsessed with playing till about 25. And then it sort of stalled out. I continued to be talented, but then I super got into songwriting, and I was passionate about that. But the component of being a successful artist or songwriter or musician in the industry at all Like, like 80% of what that was, was a complete mismatch with my deep personality. And I had suppressed and didn't even really think about who I was as a human being and had tried to elevate and exaggerate things that people had buttons, people had pressed and gone, Oh, this is totally you. You're such a musician, which wasn't really true. Wasn't really true. It wasn't really true of me. I didn't like performing, at least not in that way. I never connected with it. Furthermore, I never connected with it. Furthermore, I didn't like it. The idea of being in front of hundreds of thousands of people and performing music, I didn't connect with it. It was not a passion. But once I identified and began to realize, since the day you were born, since you remember thinking you have thought this way, intensely existential, intensely philosophical, intensely concerned with morality and ethics. Since I was a little kid, in a way that's unavoidable, I'm incapable of, I can't act that way. It's not a choice. I don't know how to think otherwise. I have to manage myself and put self-care in there to just have some moments where it's just fun, and I'm joking and talking shit and being silly. And that's a big part of my personality that I had to rediscover as balance to this thing where I was deeply concerned with the human condition. That's what really, really, really drove me, but I was afraid of how much it drove me. It was so important to me that I didn't want to deal with it. Once I accepted that, and I began to cook my vision, right? My vision started with, I hate suffering. It's true. I hated my entire, in childhood, I hated suffering. I hated it when animals suffered. Furthermore, I hated it when children suffered. Furthermore, I hated it when people suffered. Furthermore,I hated it. Hated it. It bothered me. It disturbed me. I had difficulty existing in the world with the knowledge of it. So my first purpose was like to mitigate or eliminate suffering. And as I continued to learn myself through the process of being a therapist, I began to realize like I often inflict suffering, not with cruelty, but with the understanding that we must face our suffering sometimes and value our evolution over our suffering. Slowly over time, I began to realize that my true deep, deep, deep yearning was to be free. Was to be free of mental tape loops. And if I had to really suffer and hurt myself to get free of a mental compulsive, biological, instinctive tape loop that just felt like psychological, spiritual prison to me, that I would suffer to do that, to achieve that freedom. And that I wanted that for other people. And I helped with that, getting free, to be free of the human condition and be able to choose to be conscious. So that became this driving principle, this driving purpose. So I cooked that, but I had to know that this is something that maybe I couldn't even explain to other people, or I might explain it to people, and they'd be like, what are you talking about? I don't know. It sounds so philosophical. I was accused of that many times in my life. You're too philosophical. What are you going to do with that? Are you going to be a philosophy instructor? No, F you. My practice is doing very, very well. Um, to, to all the doubters, all the people who told me that, um, I overthink things and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, maybe if I was going to be a stockbroker or something. Yeah, sure. But you didn't know, but I, I, you know, let me not be too bitter. I didn't know either. So none of us really understood what I was here to do. So there's this piece where when you drill down into, okay, what is your purpose? And the person understands that I don't want to be avoidant. I don't want to make my life about just trying to like, oh, I want to do something so that I can make enough money to not have to do it. And I know that my true purpose is maybe really contributing to the human race in a way that's fulfilling to me and fulfilling to others, right? That's true purpose always. You find a passion that really contributes to other people, but you're so lucky because you're like, oh my God, but I love doing it. I love doing something and people really derive meaning and value from it. So how lucky for me, right? How lucky for me. It really serves you and it serves others. That's always true. And then what it comes down to is a really difficult part under. There is that if you have difficulty really cooking your purpose, It is most likely because you've never met yourself. You don't really know yourself in the fullness of yourself. And that's hard. That's really, really hard. And if you've had a difficult childhood, if you've been gas lit, abused or had tons of social expectations imposed on you, There's a lot of pain. There's no insignificant suffering in working through those things that lied to you about who you are or took who you truly are and shamed you and told you it was bad, and it was not good. I had a, I'll tell as a one-off anecdote, my college advisor for undergrad, I had done very well academically. I like academics. Furthermore, I had done well. So there were no complaints there, but I asked her for a letter of recommendation. And usually you ask for one that's fairly generic, and you write it for them. And then they sort of finesse it or massage it. And then they give you like 10 signed copies so that you can whatever, right? It's not super specific from undergrad. And she gave me 10 copies of something that said something about my academic abilities and my mind, but then basically said, Jon’s problem challenge really is just being too focused on too many things. Like literally said that in my letter of recommendation, right? So this triggered something in her. She was bothered by the fact that I thought through so many things and et cetera, et cetera. Again, meaning no offense. To her that probably wasn't appropriate, but she might as well have not even written the bloody letter of recommendation. I couldn't give that to anybody. But she was sending me a message and saying, you know, you're unfocused. You're just like worried about too many things. You're working on too many things. A lot of people told me that. Well, guess what? As a therapist, that comes with huge value. That almost anything someone walks in the room with, I'm interested and have spent some significant amount of time thinking about what they're experiencing, right? So that unfocused, right? So many people have received messages about some of the greatest strengths that they have, and because society doesn't understand it, or that person doesn't understand it, or that person is not great at abstract thought, like whatever, you've been criticized, and you've been taught to be ashamed, and you've been taught that this really isn't of great value. And by the way, there were lots of people who validated my philosophical bent, and I was even awarded a small grant and won an award in the philosophy department and actually worked for one of my philosophy instructors. I don't want to pretend that I had some horrible long pathway of people saying, but there were lots of people who said things like that to me, and especially in my childhood. There will be things about you that are your greatest strengths and people will crap on it, and they will teach you to be ashamed of it, or they'll teach you to ignore it, or they'll teach you that this is actually something that you should solve. This is your problem, and you need to solve this. Well, I'm telling you right now, once I found what I truly, truly love, not only is it not a problem, it is one of my greatest strengths. It's one of my greatest tools that I can just effortlessly think through almost any given scenario in human condition. I can think through it philosophically, et cetera, et cetera, existentially, psychologically, et cetera, et cetera, because all of that unfocused is exactly what makes me capable of being really interested in whatever people bring in. I'm genuinely interested in whatever people bring in. So I'm lucky. So you have those two things, right? At the first level, you have people really struggling and accusing themselves of procrastination or self-sabotage. They can't figure out why nothing ever works or why they're so tired, and they've set goals, and they have their purpose. They've done their vision statement, et cetera. Furthermore, they've done all this stuff. And when you really drill down and go, well, why is that your goal? Why is that your goal? Why is that your goal? Ultimately, it will come down to because that will make me enough money that I can stop doing the thing. Okay, well, there you go. That's not going to work. And if it does, you won't like it, right? If you do end up making a lot of money at something you don't like doing, then you're really stuck because now you've got to have the guts and the wherewithal or even the situational ability to leave a lot of money and acknowledge, wow, I never liked this, and I didn't even want it to work. And it did because I'm good at this, and I learned to be good at it. Right. So you get under that where the gas and the break is on at the same time. And then you go to what your true vision. And again, anyone who really understands true vision or has listened to someone with a true vision, it is always something that contributes real value with a genuine human enjoyment of giving something valuable to other people. It's never a gimmick. It's never a get rich quick. Right. And the doing of that thing is very joyful and there's a great ease in it for you. So you find great pleasure. You just feel really lucky that you get to do that. Right. That's always true of this great purpose. There may be conflicted moments in it. There may be moments in it where you're contrary to society, and you suffer terribly because you get this, you know, it doesn't mean that life is just perfect. Right. But what it means is you're connected to this thing that aligns with you. But the difficulty is, and the reason that's so hard to find is that you cannot know what that thing is if you don't know who you are and how you are and how you think without all the expectations and the shame and the BS and having been configured and brainwashed that this huge component of your personality is actually no value and that's never going to work for you. And you're going to have to learn to do whatever with it or mitigate it or, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. When you get under that, and you meet yourself, this is a case where an existentially oriented therapist can do really well, where you're not doing necessarily clinical work, but you're working with someone who really can give you space and allow you to dig deeper and deeper and deeper into your own pain, your own suffering, your own confusion, your own brainwashing to finally meet yourself. And it's not about a therapy technique. You can do this with a friend, you can do this with You know, a clergy, you can do this with a priest and a rabbi like whatever. It's not necessarily about therapy. But if you have not met yourself, if you don't really know who you are in the world and how you think and how you talk naturally without expectation, what just keeps showing up over and over and over that you are genuinely this person, it's not possible for you to not be this person. If you don't know that, you're not going to know what the thing is that you can do. That's of great value to others, but the doing of it is of great value to you because you don't know who you are. Right. And I really, really sympathize and empathize with people in the struggle. I know because my path was very long and quite painful. And not knowing who you are and actually understanding that you don't know who you are can be quite painful and pretty terrifying. And having the world compete to tell you who you are is difficult. But without that, it's very, very difficult to get to a true sense of purpose. You're going to end up making it about money, or you're going to end up being about like, well, I have to support my family. Those are all wonderful things. That's all legitimate. But those are all transactional. It's not about having a profound meaning or a way of being in the world that is of great value to you and of great value to other people when you can offer it. And once that happens, you can establish a vehicle or a way of expressing it. And almost always, money is one of the symptoms, right? Money starts coming back in your direction. So I know I addressed this before, but I wanted to do a deeper dive because I had slowly, over the last couple of weeks after the last episode, just really cooked the part. I had talked about the part where people have the brake and the gas on at the same time. That, in fact, what they want to do? They really want to make money so that they can stop doing it, right? But then that leaves this other component that I hadn't really deeply talked about, which is what true purpose is when you're truly in alignment and how that's impossible to know what that is until you really, really know who you are, how you are, how you think. And so if you're really looking for deep purpose, and you want to you want to build a business, or you want to find some new direction in life, you're going to have to start with. Who am I, not who am I expected to be, not who do I? Who did I use to think I am, not who do my parents think I am, not who does my wife or husband want me to be or my kids or my siblings, none of that. Take all expectations away. As a human animal or a conscious sentient being, whatever any way you want to look at it as a child of God, whatever you want to look at it. How do you naturally, instinctively behave in the world? What's your most natural way of being, the most stubbornly consistent way of being that's most comfortable for you? It's just how you think, how you talk, and what your state of being is. When you know that, your purpose is going to grow out of that naturally. You'll have to think about it and examine it, but you don't have to construct it. And that's the thing when you see people constructing their goals and constructing their vision. Well, I think it would be good to, you can hear in the way they talk about it, that they're constructing it, but they're constructing it because they don't know who they are. And it's not growing out of that naturally, because once you know who you are and how you are, it's like the purpose becomes pretty obvious. The purpose becomes pretty obvious, and it's going to meet the world, and it's going to channel itself into those places where it can express itself. It wants to express itself. And you don't have to sit there and plan everything out and go, well, I'm going to have this many funnels, and I'm going to have this blah, blah, blah. If you're sitting there structuring everything all the time, it's because you don't know what your purpose is, and you're not connected to it. Because when you connect to that purpose, it is going to express itself, and it's going to be super obvious, and it will come in time. So I hope there was some clarity in that you're receiving the thinking as I'm sort of doing the thinking as I deepen my thinking on the subject. It comes up a lot in session. And so I wanted to share that with all of you and I hope it's of some help. And I hope you guys have a great afternoon and I will see you next time. Take care.

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